Top Lawyers Debate the New Anti-Terror Law in the Philippines | STAY CURIOUS #25


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  1. Asian Boss You should ask what Japanese anime does Korean like. I have a 10 Korean Friends My Korean friends loves Japanese anime.They like dragon ball z ,one piece or any other fighting anime. comment down below what anime do you like.
    어떤 애니메이션을 좋아하니?( I love Korean language and I am learning Korean language from my Korean Friends.Feel free to Correct me if I’m wrong.Mistake help us learn.

  2. We all know that CPP NDF NPA Terrorists are everywhere. We actually felt the furious of terrorists those who are against this law is braindead. most of the people in province like us support this law unlike in urban places that never experience the terror.

  3. Honestly, anti terrorist law it is not that bad. As long as you are protesting without harming (physically or verbatim), vandalising, or destroying infrastructures and other people, you’re pretty much OK! The reason for having this law is for people who go against the government, in an ILL-MANNERED, VIOLENT and DESTRUCTIVE way.

    If there is a need to revise the law, it should be revised.* Had to add this because it looks like I am too pro for this topic.

  4. I’ve gotten so used to listening to Marie speaking in English that it was surprising to hear her speak in Tagalog.

  5. Imprison bad police? I do wonder if their conviction rate is as abysmal as the US where police who abuse the public are just shuffled around to a new jurisdiction and their bad records are hidden from oversight?

  6. We know abusers of the law are everywhere from low level cops to high ranking officials and their coverage is not limited to terrorist stricken areas but goes all the way from Luzon to Mindanao. Nobody said that we don’t need a law to protect us from terrorism but the law should be specific, not prone to misinterpretation and abuse, and that should be fair for both the suspected person/s and enforcers of the law. With all the abuses of power happening in the country right now, the trust on law enforcers & politicians abusing & weaponizing this law is very low. The gov’t is following the CPP playbook in silencing critics, opposition, and those they think are in their way, controlling everything for their own personal agenda and to stay in power. Why use a defective law when they can discuss & scrutinize it further (like what they did on the abscbn franchise hearing) to make it satisfactory to both sides than just sign and pass a flawed bill/law susceptible to abuse and has a lot of constitutional loopholes.

  7. “Down with the Government” is clearly not a statement that causes terror, rather it calls for sedition. I think Atty. Calleja gave a wrong example there.

  8. This a great format for future videos. But could you interview Maria Ressa about the Duterte administration’s ongoing libel suit against her? It seems very concerning for the state of press freedom in the Philippines.

  9. As a law student I side with the older guy, and how it needs to be redefined to be clearer in terms of definition of what terrorism acts are. And the fact that they can detain for 14 days without evidence or trial. Very reminiscent of the UK’s previous anti terrorism law which has since been deemed unconstitutional. BUT, that being said, I also understand the need for swift action and leeway for police officers to do their jobs without the fear of breaking the law themselves considering the terrorism issue in the Philippines. The middle ground would be to amend the law and define what a terrorist is while keeping the 14 day detaining rule.

  10. “Any law can be a vehicle for abuses if you can find the loophole”

    That’s it guys, go home, we done here. That alone shuts down the entire argument of the opposition.

  11. Almost three weeks ago, four soldiers, two of which are military officers from the intelligence unit were gunned down by policemen while tracking down terrorists in Sulu. If they can do this to our troops, what more to our people? Given that their position and power as law enforcement authorities can be used to abuse our citizens.

  12. I am a foreign born Filipino but keep tabs on Filipino politics and issues out of curiosity.

    I see both sides. Of course, Philippines is still reeling from the terrorist attacks and “civil war” = terrorist occupation, which is a true problem. They do need law protect their people. The issues is that the bill isn’t clear. This bill can overreach and can create issues of internal corruption.

    Filipinos cannot deny that many, MANY politicians are corrupt. In my family area, no one can run for office or the local government officials already in power will kill them or threaten them. Officers can be like this even in countries in Western societies. Imagine if this law took place, in it’s current state of definition.

    I believe that some human rights may be infringed on to a certain limit but if a law this vague and broad were to pass without more precise and clear definitions, it would cause more corruptions, more abuse and leave a possibility where Philippines turns to a point where China is, an overbearing governmental power.

    I just say this looking in. I have my opinion from my Criminological studies as well as my family’s description of their lives in Philippines.

    It is a slippery slope but I hope this law can be clarified and concise so the Philippines will have a functioning Terrorism law that does not cause a possibility of it being used for corrupted/abusive means and is used for it’s intended use.

  13. I don’t know much about Philippines culture, law, etc. But I do think that this law sounds like the government censoring and repressing its people. Freedom of speech is a very important thing and having laws banning this and to allow any government to decide how and what its citizens speaks is just wrong.
    If you let a government pass laws like this, little by little the government will rob its people of more freedoms.
    Terrorism is a serious thing, but I don’t think that criticizing a governing body should be considered terrorism in any sense. This law sounds to me like law enforcement officers will abuse their privileges even more.

  14. ( The US needs to get involved with this issue and kill them all) I tell you all this those people only care about them self and their religion dont be surprised when they start bombing places one after another…….so with that in mind,
    Someone pls abswer me on this question… If the taliban and any other Terrorist organization are in the Philippines 🇵🇭 why cant they be kicked out? Why are they allowed in the country in the first place?
    I hope that the answer is not money. After 9/11 in the usa 🇺🇸 I feel that all country’s need to get harder on these groups, and if it calls for stronger laws or war then so be it.

  15. Very enlightening discussion about the current affairs of the anti-terror bill of the Philippines. Also very impactful advice from both parties at the end. Good job Asian Boss for this.

  16. How ironic how the guy in the right tells people to not be biased over opinions when the whole video he never acknowledged anything the other lawyer had to say about the vagueness of the terror bill but just kept insisting with his opinion

  17. People make fun of trump, but he has gotten somethings correct.
    # 1. CLOSE THE BORDERS.
    # 2. I FORCE Strict immigration laws.
    People I Tell you that after experiencing something as devastating as the planes crashing into the twin towers. These groups will stop at nothing. Stop debating unite as one country become stronger and enforce stricter laws. The Philippines is your country it doesn’t belong to any terrorist group stand up for yourselves.

  18. BRUCE RIVERA , THE BEST FRIEND OF MOCHA (PEKPEK) USON AND THE PDAF SCAM PORK BARREL QUEEN JANET LIM NAPOLES. WHO STOLE A BILLIONS OF PESOSES OF GOVERNMENT PUBLIC FUNDS.
    SOURCE FROM GOOGLE
    PDAF scam
    Main article: Priority Development Assistance Fund scam
    Priority Development Assistance Fund (PDAF) was a program initially implemented in 1990, designed to allow legislators to fund small-scale infrastructure or community projects which fell outside the scope of the national infrastructure program. It was later ruled as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the Philippines.[13]

    Napoles has been linked with an alleged misuse of PDAF, together with Philippine Senators Bong Revilla, Jinggoy Estrada, Juan Ponce Enrile, and other congressmen.[14]

    She was convicted of plunder on December 7, 2018, for her involvement in the PDAF scam, with the conviction being upheld by the Sandiganbayan anti-graft court on March 13, 2019.[6][5][15][16]

    Illegal detention case
    Janet Lim Napoles was accused of illegally detaining Benhur Luy, her cousin and former employee in 2014. Luy’s three-month custody under Napoles ended in March 2014. Napoles alleged that Luy took a ₱5.5 million loan under her name without her authorization. She also alleged that Luy was supposed to deposit ₱300,000 to her account but did not do so, accusing Luy of theft. Luy insists that he was detained by Napoles due to fears that Luy will expose Napoles’ alleged significant role in the PDAF scam. Lim was later found guilty beyond reasonable doubt and was sentenced to reclusión perpetua on April 14, 2015. Napoles and her lawyers have indicated that they will appeal the decision to the Court of Appeals.[17]

    2017 Acquittal case
    The Office of the Solicitor General with the court of appeals has filed a “manifestation in lieu of rejoinder” recommending the Acquittal of Janet Lim Napoles from the Luy detention case.[18] This decision by the Solicitor General Jose Calida was backed by Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte saying that he himself would move for the dismissal of the case citing selective prosecution under Aquino administration. The criminal actions must proceed against all responsible according to Duterte. [19]

    Fertilizer fund scam
    Napoles and six others were indicted in 2018 for their involvement in the fertilizer fund scam.[20][21] The group was indicted for graft and malversation of public funds over PHP5 million worth of projects, including the anomalous purchase of fertilizers in 2004 in Surigao del Norte.[21] Jo Chris Trading, a firm owned by Napoles, was tagged as the distributor of allegedly overpriced and diluted liquid fertilizers.[22] Fertilizer funds totaling PHP728 million were allegedly diverted in a vote-buying scheme involving favored local officials.[22]

    Malampaya fund scam
    Napoles is facing charges for her alleged involvement in the Malampaya fund scam.[4][23] The case involves the misues of PHP900 million sourced from the fund for disaster response operations in the aftermath of Tropical Storm Ondoy (Ketsana) and Typhoon Pepeng (Parma) in 2009.[4][24]…

    SHE SHOULD BE EXECUTED

  19. so all the countries like the Australia, US and the UN who have been the resources for this ATL were not effective? Please this is needed by our brothers in the South they need this for progress in their region. So, make a stricter training then for our military men and policemen learned the constitution and law vigorously make it the institution highly respectable by good education and training. CPP NPA was tagged as terrorist by US btw.

  20. 23:33 Attorney Calleja… If we see a man wearing a bomb, out in public, or when we received a threat that there will be bombings here and there…. do we really need to wait for a judge for a warrant? Many terrorist, druglords, communists have left the country and escaped their legislative accountability just because your “complex constitution” disabled our executive arm to act upon the IMMEDIATE need, with the excuse of the abuse of authority, which are just exceptional cases, but in most case is just a media play from the detractors.

    Just a quick and simple ANALOGY for everyone to understand. Let’s say for example, a patient with symptoms of covid was recognized. Does the patient have to be diagnosed first before putting him in quarantine? What if the patient really has COVID? are we risking THE LIVES OF MANY just because we are waiting for the results of one person? because if we quarantine this person, WE ARE VIOLATING HIS RIGHTS? This is why we quarantine people with suspected covid symptoms, even before they were deemed positive. this is to prevent it from spreading.

    Same applies to the ATB, it is a PREVENTIVE MEASURE, PROTECTING THE LIVES OF MANY.

    Filipinos have to move on from their trauma of “abuse of authority” or “martial law”, the people who PLANTED THIS FEAR ON THE MINDS OF THE FILIPINOS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO VIOLATED HUMAN RIGHTS, AND IT ISN’T EVEN REPORTED IN THE NEWS.THEY WERE SENSATIONALIZED AS SAINTS, BUT THEY HAVE KILLED MORE LIVES THAN PROTECTED IT. REMEMBER THE MARAWI TRAGEDY? THESE SOLDIERS COULD’VE BEEN SAVED, IF THE “WELL EDUCATED, PRIVELEGED PEOPLE FROM CONYO SCHOOLS, WHO “VALUES HUMAN RIGHTS” Didn’t TURN A BLIND EYE.

    THEY DIED OUT THERE! HELPLESS.

    I ADVISE THE FILIPINOS WHO FALSELY ACCUSES OUR POLICE FORCE/MILITARY OF ABUSE TO AUTHORITY TO ACTUALLY WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE MASSACRE, AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.

    THEY DIED PROTECTING YOU. BUT YOU ARE DENYING THEM OF THEIR RIGHT TO DO THEIR DUTY, AND INSTEAD LISTEN TO THE BS THE MEDIA SAYS.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE.

  21. This is just another mechanism for big government to further entrench themselves into people’s personal lives to collect surveillance under the guise of public good. It also encourages more people to practice self-censorship because saying anything out of line could put you on the watch list.

    “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson

  22. We are afraid of the abuses.
    We live in the country where we distrust the authorities.
    The idea is good but knowing how they implement laws:
    That is a horror story.

  23. If you have freedom and you are not secure than freedom have not value , again if you safety but don’t have freedom to do anything that safety have not value .
    There must be a way so citizens get both safety and freedom

  24. If we have a competent, intelligent, and people-oriented police force and national government, nobody would question this law even with its loopholes.

  25. Thank you for covering this. I feel as though the involvement of media and celebrities regarding this issue has muddled relevant information, especially to younger audiences. It’s way easier to spread hashtags than articles, right?

  26. Terrorism act in the US allows the government to detain anyone for 14 days, without being charged with any crime. Similar laws have been passed in several countries. Now it is Philippines turn, I am sorry for the people of Philippines.

  27. Murphy’s Law. If it can go wrong, it WILL go wrong. Terrorism is already illegal under the current law (I shouldn’t have to state that–I thought that it’s common sense); warrantless arrest is applicable to anyone already committing a crime or look like they’re about to ie someone showing up at a church with semi-automatics even though they haven’t fired it yet (so I don’t get one of the comments that asks “should we wait for a warrant of arrest to apprehend such individual?” WTF – read the current law, bro!), and, therefore, makes this law practically REDUNDANT! So why is the government HELL BENT on getting it approved?

    Those who support the passing of this bill, please open your eyes. Someone who isn’t even against it–someone simply questioning how this bill can be abused by our already corrupt and tyrannical government–is already being labeled a terrorist by the administration. How ridiculous is that?! And how could you STILL deny the blatant fact that it’s a law FIRST made to stifle freedom of speech? You guys seriously think it’s for OUR welfare? When has our government EVER done anything OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS? WHEN!!! When have they ever done anything that didn’t benefit them first? JESUS. Our government is not that nice. Are you guys dumb AF? They’re passing this law under the guise of anti-terrorism. But the real objective here IS TO SILENCE THE OPPOSITION.

  28. Countless of times, authoritarians such as Duterte always hide behind the “national security” rhetoric to implement unjust laws that violates human rights. Philippines deserve better than Duterte. Philippines is going down a dangerous path with Duterte in power.

  29. so basically they don’t have problems with the law irself, just that they are afraid that the execution and the judiciary actions taken later can be influenced due to corruption and bias. That’s the story of literally most countries nowadays i guess

  30. I support anti-terrorism Law. Anti means something against to such as anti-bacteria, etc.
    Anti-terrorism Law is where we against the terror from the terrorists who are trying to do something as define by our Top Lawyers about the definition of the Act of Terrorism Section.

    This law consider 2 things: Safety of the human life and the authorities that cares about the country.

    I hope many people understand it with broader perspective

  31. So after listening to this one thing is clear for these two lawyers. Atty Rivera ultimately trusts the executive and overlooks whats written down while Atty Calleja clearly has a problem with the language and wants it clarified but agrees to the general sentiment for the creation of an anti-terrorism law. It’s a level-headed argument to make. Basically the law that was passed is poorly written and the casualty for such a poorly constructed law is everyone’s civil liberties – so the solution is to clarify what’s on paper to align with the Constitution. The Constitution being a document everyone from all branches of document has sworn to uphold and protect. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

  32. Implementing the anti terrorism law without proper guidelines as to who shall be deemed as terrorist, as “specific” as possible is needed. First the law is sure made to eradicate any activity close to the stated law that falls under acts of terrorism, but , in most cases we’ve seen the law fails to keep what it needs to target instead limits the freedom of expression for the general public.
    Until there’s no proper guidelines and assurance that it doesn’t effect the gp even to voice their opinions against the government’s wrong doings. It should not be implemented “hastily”. Also what measures would be taken to make sure the gp is made aware of their rights when exploited.

  33. 20:02 “Even if the police will be successful in their abuses, we can always imprison the police.”

    As someone living in Hong Kong and witnessing the police response to the pro-democracy protests here, I can assure you that this won’t end well.

  34. I dunno, but Bruce touching his hair and forehead distracted me so much while watching this video. And his stuttering too. But anyway, I agree with Atty. Calleja that the law should be repealed to be something that is legal and that would abide within the bounds of the constitution.

  35. What people tend to overlook is the terrorism committed by the state. The state maintains power via a monopoly on violence. The purpose of the state is neither to protect nor to provide for the people but simply to protect the Capital that funds it, to stay in power. Anything the capitalist state does is auxiliary to that, public welfare projects are undertaken to douse the heat of public indignation around poverty, never to eliminate it because poverty is the stick that goes with the carrot of middle class comfort to keep the working class in their place. Education is always packaged along with indoctrination. Rights are PR. Duterte is a terrorist, he operates a terror state. He threatened to bomb Lumad schools because the NPA was operating vaguely nearby. His junta treats people as subhuman because they might have the wrong flower in their pocket. He seeks to rule by fear, and uses violence toward that end

  36. This Anti-Terror Law actually allows protest and dissent against the government. Read this section: “Provided that terrorism as defined in this section shall NOT include advocacy, protest, dissent, stoppage of work, industrial or mass action, and other similar exercises of civil and political rights which are not intended to cause death or serious physical harm to a person, to endanger a person’s life, or to create a serious risk to public safety.”

  37. Discussions between pro and anti ATL is like Yanny vs Laurel. People have different perspectives and will never agree (if you do try to listen carefully some people will be able to hear both Yanny and Laurel, while others really don’t).
    But just like what Atty Rivera mentioned, the oppositions are free to talk. No opposition has been silenced by the Duterte admin.
    In fact, it’s the oppositions who are fond of silencing people. You will notice how they react. They will say things like “shut up” “I’ll k*** you”. Some of them even threatened to k*** a Congressman’s daughter. Some of them even supported someone on social media for dishonoring his Congresswoman mom. So you see what kind of people they are. They’re a bunch of entitled, emotional, attention-seeking people. And that’s what youngsters want especially when their idol notices them on twitter.
    Notice how Rappler also disables their comment section, but they’re fighting for press freedom and democracy which is still very much alive.

    Another thing that I notice is that they just hate Pres Duterte and they always associate ATL with Pres. Duterte.
    But it’s actually Sen Panfilo Lacson who co-authored the bill. Personally, I don’t like Sen. Lacson and we don’t know who’ll be the next president too, but I still support the ATL.
    20:05 prevention is always better so I agree with everything that he said.
    I think once you define specific acts of terrorism, the terrorist will know how to avoid it which may favor the terrorist more.

  38. This is such a complex issue. Ideally, it would be cut-and-dry. I definitely side more with allowing people’s freedom of speech. I believe that Intelligence ought to be doing its job to be aware of individuals who are linked to terrorism, but to not bypass due process. This is a terrible thing of the tyranny then comes from the government. Because then the government itself becomes the “terrorist.” So it is important to not just blindly surrender all power and trust into the government _NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU SUPPORT ANY LEADER._

    Also, things differ in different areas. So, why not allow Mindanao to have more stringent laws about terrorism there…but at the same time, I guess that would just create new issues in having them shift locations.

    I support the older guy’s views on this one.

    Sana mawawala ang corruption at kaguluhan, but for now we must do what we can to preserve freedom.

  39. Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one’s view’s and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one’s valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.

  40. It is easy to say you are against the ANTI TERRORISM LAW if you are not affected by the insurgency! I hope this people who are against their family will be victimized by this fckn terrorist!

  41. I don’t agree with Atty Calleja being him consistent with the constitution. Every law has loophole as they say. Given that we have legal fronts from CPP NPA, makes wonder if they are really for common folks exercising free speech.

  42. The problem is not the law. The problem is NONE of us Filipinos trust the police or the politicians. They’re some of the most corrupt and most incompetent in the world.

  43. We definitely do not want Marie imprisoned without charge for 24 days. 🙂 As an EU lawyer myself, I enjoyed Attorney Howard Calleja’s developed arguments, with which I agree (prima facie). Unfortunately, there haven’t been any substantiated counter-arguments to his arguments (e.g. proportionality, necessity of measures in a democratic state, spirit of the law). Too bad. It would have been a great debate…

  44. I like this because both are lawyers and they litterally have a copy of the law in both of their hands. This is how debates should be not just public talks by barely knowledgeable people

  45. The terrorist attacks are orchestrated by the deep state. Problem – Reaction – Solution = Chinese dictatorship for the Philippines and eventually the entire world. 90 percent of world leaders are puppet governments.

  46. A civil and intelligent discussion on serious laws and legislation from two intelligent and well prepared lawyers without name calling, without yelling, without interrupting each other, without hurt feelings. This is the way we should be speaking to each other, listening and understanding and then responding with well thought out statements and respect for one another. This shouldn’t be as rare as it is.

  47. identifying who is a target terrorist based on intel reports is on the prerogative of the ATC and the warrantless arrest is on Court of Appeals right? according to Sen. Lacson

  48. The idea of bringing this discussion to Asian Boss is great especially since there have been foreign criticisms on this law. It would have been better, though, if there was a more fluent representative who is in support for the already passed Anti-Terror Law.

  49. It was a very insightful debate but I think Atty Calleja gave a more substantial argument. I do have to agree with both attorneys that we do need an Anti Terrorism Law with more teeth BUT definitions and the wordings should be well defined and not subject to a broad interpretation. Another thing that I would have liked tackled was the composition of the ATC (ANTI TERRORISM COUNCIL) From what I have read they are if not all presidential appointees. If that is the case and they would be the ones to interpret the law and give notice, then it may subject to abuse and used against the opposition. As what Atty Calleja had mentioned the exception to the exception becomes the general rule and “to create a serious risk to public safety” is a phrase/exception which can be interpreted in so many ways. I think that is where the danger lies considering the composition of the ATF. Anyway, Keep up the great work Marie. 👍

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